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Posted - 2011.12.27 13:52:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:After the nano nerf frigates enjoyed a little renaissance. Speed tanking was popular. Small rigs had just come out. The web nerf as well as the scrambler change gave alot of options. The minmatar projectile buff eroded that quite a bit. You have to fly through anywhere from 40km to 80km of falloff to get to the target. In addition to decent tracking the autocannons were assisted by TE that were just about mandatory. If your small ship managed to get under the guns by some miracle - you had one if not two nuets waiting for you as well as a full flight of light drones. Blaster cruiser/BC I now expect will be able to track and destroy frigates in scramble range. And of course because of Dramiel.  I think this needs to be looked at not in that AF are overpowered but that other frigates need a slight buff. The tier system for Tech 1 should go. Interceptors may need a brush up. Etc.
Oh, hey, that was 200x and this is 201x.
Nowadays, your average frigate pilot has to land at zero to 30km (who the crap flies 40-80km towards anything? you warp out), burn into scram range, hope the enemy doesn't have a scram, tank his drones and play 'Hungry hippos' with him as he tries to save them from you and you try to gank them, all the while sig-tanking his guns, before you start working on his tank. Which is either an armour cane, which will take so long to vape his buddies will turn up (nanocanes have already escaped you), or a Drake which you need 3 AF's to kill anyway, and you are trying to witstand neuting pressure. And thats if you Unicorn the whole enterprise by finding a lone BC you warp to at <30km who is not aligned out.
Or you roll an AB-fit RR AF gang and you absolutely smoke the opposition because you can tank a whole gang yourself and you've got 6 x 130DPS tanks hitting ou from your 6 mates in the Vengeances and all of you are pshing 120 DPS outwards.
So. The plan is to give AFs another slot, a bit of extra buffer here and there, and a half-gimped MWD sig bonus. You will now be able to, as said before, land at 40-80km to attain tackle, with a sig penalty just big enough to kill you on the way in to scram range, whereupon you risk getting your MWD turned off (or go dissy/MWD and become a T2 Dram, basically) and have to try kiting without an AB. Which doesn't work quite as well as with the AB.
So it is now a choice, like with other hull sizes. AB sig tank AHAC style (good luck, Caldari ships, you all suck), or MWD kite Vagaceptor style. Theres not much of a middle ground aside from the putative ideas revolving around "MWD+Scram+Active tank will totes work, rite? Cause no one fits neuts, rite?"
No.
Personally, I can see the idea. EVE, clearly, is heading toward a nano-renaissance. Lets not fool ourselves that the tier 3 BC's are anything but nano-sniper boats and the Talos for wormholes and people AWOXing nubs they fleet up and get warp to zero upon. Everything in that class of ship is geared toward alphafleets (and yet, somehow, with the way logi is at the moment people wonder why the Naga is FOTM amongst the knowing few), nano shield gangs (Nado+Lach+Rapier alphananogangs), and so on and so forth. Aside from w-space where you do get the warp-to-zeros and need the buffer-gank brwling setups.
This rejiggering of AFs makes them into...heavy...assault...ships. You send the ceptors to get the points and then the AFs roll in a few seconds later to get secondary point, tank respectably, and maintain point while the DPS tries to outwit the logis by swapping primaries and trading neuting/EWAR. The AFs are like the shock troops, with enough DPS to worry the enemy and maybe threaten their EW ships, hassle their logis and cnfuse the melee.
Most of the opinions expressed here are just hot air and theorycrafting based on either, as quoted above, bittervets talking about the days of yore before alphafleet dctrine became popular, and egoed-up basement trolls declaring the false to be true to confuse their conteporaries while they try to work the new MWD sig bonus into Alphafleet, Hellcat, crapcrapcrap doctrine in private so they can maintain an advntage for a week or two longer before everyone works out why, eg, the Naga is in fact better than the Tornado (and not just because it gets 660 vs 600DPS).
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